The Last of the Game of Thrones Hot Takes

14 Th08, 2019
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Power doesn't corrupt; power reveals.

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  • For my own reference: Sansa - 4:38 Bronn - 11:37 Varys - 14:04 Jon - 20:29 Tyrion - 26:41 Jaime - 33:15 Cersei - 38:38 Daenerys - 46:15

    Audrey DozemanAudrey DozemanNăm trước
    • @that one stormtrooper 🤣

      Nelson SwampNelson SwampTháng trước
    • @that one stormtrooper lmao, you killed Luke's family, they were the ones making the milk, no more milk in the galaxy because of you

      Vegetarian Soylent GreenVegetarian Soylent Green4 tháng trước
    • @Audrey Dozeman The first king dies by an animal. The guy who ends up on the throne can control animals. Why would an old man ask children for help? The three eyed raven was a predator. The Wall of Ice and the Night King were created at the same time. The Night King can create weapons of ice. The Night King created the wall of ice. Okay. So... What does bran tell everyone in the last season? Bran tells them all the night king was trapped north. That's wrong. Who was the person literally trappyed in the north? The Three Eyed Raven. It was trapped in the tree.

      pvtjhonpvtjhon4 tháng trước
    • @pvtjhon bro idk if you were high when you wrote all this but it does not make sense lmao

      Audrey DozemanAudrey Dozeman4 tháng trước
    • @Lynette Goh uh pardon

      Audrey DozemanAudrey Dozeman4 tháng trước
  • truly thank u for defending daenerys bc she was never foreshadowed to torch an entire city. people are so fucking stupid about it.

    IceBlueMinkIceBlueMink5 giờ trước
  • the funniest thing is that jon DOESN’T have higher claim to the throne than Daenerys!!! she quite literally has the highest claim and no one talks about it.

    IceBlueMinkIceBlueMink6 giờ trước
  • I needed some of you today. Thanx!

    Shannon McIntyreShannon McIntyre6 giờ trước
  • yea who the hell cares about the people of kings landing they all deserve to die

    jesse jamesjesse james18 giờ trước
  • Damn this girl is smart. In this one I could feel the alcohol's edge. Didn't disliked it.

    Martin PortelanceMartin Portelance20 giờ trước
  • I've always preferred Frank Herbert's version..."power attracts the corruptible".

    Jeff HowardJeff HowardNgày trước
  • I'll never watch another thing Beniweiss does. I just can't trust them as storytellers.

    thescrybethescrybeNgày trước
  • Lmao didn’t realize I was a Sansa stan until season 7 and this video was right on the money as to why I was unbothered by her being the queen in the north. I didn’t realize, however, that they had to rewrite her entire character to pretty much get her to where they wanted to put her. Goddamned writers

    Esteban MirandaEsteban MirandaNgày trước
  • wow it's amazing how bro-y and lame the writers reveal themselves to be at the end lol. That's what was revealed when they finally had the power to write their own story.

    Sam EverettSam EverettNgày trước
  • Daenerys: spends the entire series gathering power by liberating slaves, deposing oppressive nobility and protecting the downtrodden. Even literally says she doesn't want to destroy Kings Landing. Writers: yeah but what if in the very last episode she decides to roast half of Kings Landing just because she's actually evil and is just totes super jealous of Jon. Also have Tyrion try to justify it by saying "everywhere she goes evil men die" like that's not a good thing, and is absolutely a sign of her being an irrational tyrant.

    MrAwesomeTrexMrAwesomeTrexNgày trước
  • This video raises a point that I never really noticed on my own, but is definitely why the later seasons were so bad, that they stopped having societal repurcusions for the characters' actions. When the Great Sept was blown up I was so hype for there that to lead to even more conflict between Cersei and the Church Militant, and/or create unrest among the devoted commoners... but nah, they just ignore it, no peasants revolt, no theocractic uprising, not even any lipservice paid to hundreds of people getting flambeed, and one of the largest and most important structures in Westeros getting levelled along with what looks like a good city block around it. Hell, it could have somehow been used as a propaganda tool for Cersei to tighten her grip on the throne, by making it out to be a terrorist act by other claimants, or outside forces. Or that she uses the death of the High Sparrow to install a puppet to the High Septon position, giving her control over the Church Militant... But hey what do I know, just ignoring something that seems like it would have major effects on the world is apparently what professional writers do.

    MrAwesomeTrexMrAwesomeTrexNgày trước
  • I want the books to be read on this channel, with a lot of Lindsey, who talking about every chapter. I mabye even like, if Lindsey interupts the reading with; 'that's wrong' or 'thus dosen't make sence 'cus..' 🤣

    Nanna TronierNanna Tronier2 ngày trước
  • Power doesn't corrupt but reveals. D & D's power over a fictional world sure revealed a lot about them.

    DawnOfDragonzDawnOfDragonz2 ngày trước
  • Blondes with black eyebrows.. funny as all fuck. What do you call a blond that dye's her hair black.... Artificial intelligence. What do you call a brunette dying/bleaching her hair blonde... is that then, Artificial stupidity.. that the rest of the hair on her arms and eyebrows , lashes, and other places will be.. not blonde.. could be just .. plain stupid.

    Frank BlackcrowFrank Blackcrow2 ngày trước
    • sorry, can we help you? do you need something?

      cbroxs17cbroxs17Ngày trước
  • The thumbnail made me lol so I decided to watch this 😁

    HellyeahRookHellyeahRook2 ngày trước
  • These problems have been in the series from the start. They gutted much of the book's cast and developments in every season, which had the ripple effect of having to make exponentially more shit up in each new season. This, in tandem with the writers being much worse than Martin, and having to wrap things up in a hurry with no book material to adapt, ended up in this perfect shitstorm. So I'm more understanding than most at Martin's slow writing, I'd rather him take his time than fuck the books up badly. At least let me have a decent book end.

    Duck KingDuck King2 ngày trước
  • but if Bran could see the future .. isn't he bad because he let it all happen just so he could be king.. the only way I can re-watch is by watching new reactors seeing it for the first time

    Mare ZeSimMare ZeSim2 ngày trước
  • hopefully they remake game of thrones and make it right... couse D and D screwed the characters and story over very hard

    lunsen 402lunsen 4022 ngày trước
  • Binging her videos for appreciation after the bullshit on Twitter

    PhibiePhibie2 ngày trước
  • Lindsay ... I have watched many of these critiques of GOT since Season 8 and this far surpasses in depth, insight, and validity. Super job. Thanks so much for your deep dive. Subscribing.

    Dan MilbourneDan Milbourne3 ngày trước
  • I have to say, Bran being chosen as the first king under the new elective monarchy DOES make sense, but not for the any of the reasons the show gives. Westeros essentially reformed into something very similar to the HRE, with the Lords Paramount in the role of Electors. With this in mind, the choice of Bran as king is in the best interests of the Lords Paramount because he is a weak, detached king. They would be able to grow and consolidate their own power and autonomy with little fear of intervention or reprisal. In this way, the decision is rooted in historical precedent - in the early days of the HRE, Electors would tend to vote for weak Emperors who were unable to project enough power to maintain authority over their subject states.

    richard trumpetrichard trumpet3 ngày trước
  • I support you in everything. I was really going to revisit this show and more than once. But now that I know the ending I won't.

    Алекс ЗАлекс З4 ngày trước
  • D&D went down the identity politics route of female character "developmemt" Y'know, where every woman is a cold blooded Mary sue who mows down her enemies by the dozen without even a grimace.

    Rainman SlimRainman Slim4 ngày trước
  • When the season ended, I felt that all the years I spent nerding on the ASOIAF universe went down the drain. With GRRM's slow progress on the books I feel that we have no choice for a canon ending other than D&D's

    TraumaticaTraumatica4 ngày trước
  • I think the problem with Daenerys was her politics. Too anti-hierarchy, too anti-system, too violent. Of course for rich folks that needs to end in : "SHE EvIL!" "COMMUNISM KILLED 100000000000 PEOPLE!!1!!1!"

    Trish TrashTrish Trash4 ngày trước
  • Could have been one of the greatest shows on tv ever, ended up being the modern example of Lost

    Ellie sEllie s5 ngày trước
  • Good ol' like for miss Lindsay.

    Tomasz ChomickiTomasz Chomicki5 ngày trước
  • D & D should be shackled and forced to watch this until they admit she's right about everything. Also, until they admit they simply did not GAF about this show, were in it only for the money and recognition, and have zero conscience about how they screwed millions of viewers that invested 10 years of our lives.

    Revolution 2020Revolution 20205 ngày trước
  • I've watched both parts of this at least three times now. Still haven't got round to watching the last episode of GoT yet though!

    GerardGerard5 ngày trước
    • Don't. You can never unsee it.

      GriexxtGriexxt5 ngày trước
  • I still haven't reviewed anybody kissing my ass after they ridiculed me for disliking Game of Thrones years ago.

    killbogginskillboggins6 ngày trước
  • Thank god characters like Tywin Lanister and Margaery Tyrell died before their characters could be ruined

    Patf TsPatf Ts6 ngày trước
  • In the year 2021, the movie that probably comes closest to this was Rise of Skywalker. I didn’t like The Last Jedi, but its stupid moments are more just...odd and unfunny, whereas Rise of Skywalker is actually nonsensical and craps on a 40 year old franchise that had already taken a lot of crap that can’t take it anymore.

    AlekWheelerAlekWheeler6 ngày trước
  • Reminds me of a quote from the musical Gypsy: "They'll forgive you anything if you got a strong ending." The reverse is also true. And Game of Thrones is proof.

    Hannah GHannah G6 ngày trước
  • Holy shit I love your Cinnamon Toast Crunch jacket

    Eric RiceEric Rice7 ngày trước
  • When you've fallen asleep watching this video only to be awakened by air horns 😂

    FrecklesFreckles7 ngày trước
  • Best critique/hottake about GoT I've seen

    Robin HelingRobin Heling7 ngày trước
  • I'm fine with Cersei dying given Maggie the Frog's prophecy said she would be choked out by her younger brother which could be Jaime or Tyrion, but she should've gone out like a bad bitch and fighting at the very end like she has her whole life. Calling Cersei Lannister a scared little girl is the most insulting description for this great villain who loves revenge and enacting said revenge the most.

    Kalistiana 17Kalistiana 177 ngày trước
  • Hbomerguy read the books!!!

    local idiotlocal idiot8 ngày trước
  • Everytime you watch game of thrones on HBO Max this video should be shown before every episode

    Bubblegum CrashBubblegum Crash8 ngày trước
  • Great vid season 8 still pisses me off to this day, I can’t rewatch the show even though it’s great up until 5 or so but generally 1-6 to me are fine

    Da TigerDa Tiger8 ngày trước
  • #DavidandDanareMisogynists and I’m still angry about Game Of Thrones in the year of 2021 😡 (this emoji isn’t red enough for my levels of mad I am).

    Awkward AthenaAwkward Athena9 ngày trước
  • It’s like the Salem witch trails all over again with Daenerys. I hate the last season and maybe the last few seasons more now after this wonderful video. Keep making them Lindsay!

    Diana EdidDiana Edid9 ngày trước
  • Omg, I’m still here 2 years later after that last horrible season. Poor Daenerys, they did my girl so dirty :(

    Martina ForestaMartina Foresta10 ngày trước
  • Jamie's hateful line wasn't meant to be taken as genuine. He was saying it in the hope that Brienne would get over him ... and maybe deep down he believed it because he was being hard on himself.

    Martyn StembridgeMartyn Stembridge10 ngày trước
  • The showrunners going with "not wanting power makes the perfect leader" feels like they read a short introduction to Plato and completely missed the point. Paraphrasing a bit, and mixing with some other ideas: a good leader is not good because they don't want power; a good leader is one who recognises they need to be a leader, because they know they could do good by the people, and not because they simply want power. This juxtaposition is an important part of it, and is wildly different from D&D's view. A good leader will also step down once they recognise they no longer serve a purpose, again, because they didn't want power for the sake of power.

    Nachos and vegan chiliNachos and vegan chili11 ngày trước
    • Literally Daenerys with Mereen

      Thaakirah BenjaminThaakirah Benjamin4 ngày trước
  • It can’t all be sorrow, can it? But what is grief, if not love persevering? *cracks open the books*

    The LucasThe Lucas11 ngày trước
  • The background music is too loud and distracting.

    Nope NopeNope Nope11 ngày trước
  • Where do I get a Cinnamon Toast Crunch bathrobe??

    XercioXercio12 ngày trước
  • you really deserve all the subscribers and views possible. wonderfull videos!

    KooFooKooFoo12 ngày trước
  • I've been wondering what the show would have looked like if D&D had the fight against the Others be one of attrition - one where the living cede ground to the army of the dead whilst maximizing their losses and minimizing their own. I figured the living would have to keep retreating south and eventually end up at King's Landing. I just figured they would win there, not quite seeing how. I now realize that, if there's an army of the dead approaching that's diametrically opposed to fire, and this city is full of people who could very easily die and join that army - that a scorched earth policy of denying the Others reinforcements via dragon fire would be a necessary move to protect the rest of Westeros as a whole. In this case, Dany burning King's Landing would actually make sense, and doing so would be something that would give her the severe PTSD that would lead people think she's mad. It's too bad D&D were so opposed to telling nuanced stories that they had to kill this one.

    Influx27Influx2713 ngày trước
  • this video: 1:06:22 star wars episode ix : hold my beer

    izzeallerdyceizzeallerdyce13 ngày trước
    • Can't believe we live in a world where both of those trainwrecks came out in the same f***ing year and roughly six months apart from each other. No wonder 2020 was such a clusterf***.

      jbvader721jbvader7219 ngày trước
  • I’m here for my monthly rewatch of this video essay

    HipHopotamusHipHopotamus13 ngày trước
  • Hard to believe that the show ended a year ago. Before lockdown and so many other changes in the world. I don’t think anybody’s talking about Game of Thrones right now. I’m pretty sure somebody did rewatch the series out of fucking boredom.

    Ernest WalkerErnest Walker13 ngày trước
  • Me: has never watched GOT Also me: watches an hour and 10 minute video about it

    Koslaulskus The GreatKoslaulskus The Great13 ngày trước
  • 2021 and I'm still disappointed. I saw this story as potentially the most important for this generation. A fitting ending for the video.

    Eduardo CoronaEduardo Corona14 ngày trước
  • The end was so bad I kinda forgot how good the first few seasons were.

    Richbeans115Richbeans11514 ngày trước
  • lmao the last bit with monty python, shame really the show went this way

    DO9 BELL BESSADO9 BELL BESSA16 ngày trước
  • I wonder if any of the cast or creators of this show has seen this video?

    Jeebs UnabiaJeebs Unabia16 ngày trước
    • I hope so.

      pplr1pplr115 ngày trước
  • I so miss you talking crap on here lol. A+ too. 2019 is funny and sad people wish they were back in 2 years ago. He blessed and never turn your brain off. Millie is hilarious.

    harold davisharold davis17 ngày trước
  • I knew this season was bad. I didn't know watching the chucklefucks-who-wrote-it try to excuse their bad writing would be much much MUCH MUCH worse.

    Ty BronxTy Bronx18 ngày trước
  • For another feminism scout badge and let me say I have always believed feminism with perfect timing is the solution and that Women should earn a lot more than money and trinkets for their service as the human aspect of the goddess of nurture, but I have been a pig of a man nonetheless because of a certain type of discrepancy between my values and assumptions about automatic integration of those values into our lives, but can we say that this character in Game Of Thrones was prepared all her life by her idiot feeble brother, a brother with rights and opportunities for improving at power and learning strategy with education at royal jerking machinations through place of birth and culture and political system, so that this Woman lived every day learning to submit to nest in that husbands soul as an integrating central nervous system to use her husband as a tool for her brother and that she therefore had the power to survive it but that sort of entire process is probably in most of infinity quite corrupting to ones innocence and joy at living, yet with the help of her husbands attending Women she was able to find or feign power in her husbands will and rise with it either as a tool or a controller or equal and that we should always wonder which it was. So, in this case, should every Woman that has had to submit in undignified ways receive a Dragon after trauma healing magic so that they may use their Dragons virtuously?

    C Game TheoryC Game Theory19 ngày trước
    • @Matej Lepiš he's trolling

      Wisdom Manari'Wisdom Manari'15 ngày trước
    • what are you smoking?

      Matej LepišMatej Lepiš19 ngày trước
  • It's been 2 years since this show endend and this video was still extremely emotionally taxing

    Gabriel MenaGabriel Mena19 ngày trước
  • "Beliving in a righteous cause turns dangerous if you believe in it too much" **Cough** Maximilien Robespierre and the French Revolution **Cough** Initially justified, but increasingly radical, progressive revolutions can go very very wrong when the purity spiral inevitably kicks in. You wipe out the aristocracy, the clergy and their supporters, and suddenly is moderate revolutionaries that are next in line to be culled by the radical revolutionaries. That said, in this show, this decent was indeed was too sudden and jarring, but exploring this space could have been interesting if they didn't go directly from "justifiable targets" to "unjustifiable targets".

    JackaljkljklJackaljkljkl19 ngày trước
  • Bran believes in nothing, nothing, Lebowski

    Ivan ZubovIvan Zubov20 ngày trước
  • A narrative bubble...or meltdown?

    Piedras de SopaPiedras de Sopa20 ngày trước
  • 50:26 The Hitler that flieeeeeees

    nionio20 ngày trước
  • Great video, but the bit about Tyrion being inconsistent in his concern for the common folk is rather confusing/confused. He was fine with killing attacking soldiers in order to avoid the likely slaughter of common folk of the city; that was his primary motive. It's entirely consistent with him being outraged at Dany's barbeque of those same folks. His furious speech was just that - righteous indignation, not a genuine expression of desire to poison a ton of people. Edit: And you used his threat to Cersei totally out of context - he was making it as diversion to make her believe she had succeeded in targeting his favorite concubine, not as a genuine threat.

    John WhitmanJohn Whitman20 ngày trước
    • I'm really sorry to have to say this, but this line of reasoning is another nail in the coffin of Tyrion the interesting character. Over the last few seasons of the show, Tyrion has been progressively remade and retconned into a an infinitely less complicated hero, to the point that when they meet again, Tyrion recalls that Theon was being an asshole to him in their first meeting - when it was Tyrion that was treating *him* like shit back in season 1. Back when this show was still following book trajectory, Tyrion's outpouring of rage isn't a sign of poor SAINT TYRION crying for justice, but a sign that he's stopped caring: his compassion is dying and gradually paving the way for a darker, more vengeful Tyrion. And even though they made Shae into an unambiguous villain just so Tyrion could kill her in self-defence just so he wouldn't look like a bad guy, he still murdered his father in cold blood. Once season five rolls around, all those rough edges are sanded away. And because you can't have Tyrion be the Machiavellian schemer he used to be without actually hurting or exploiting people, he can't be as manipulative as he used to be. Because making decisive strategies might result in morally questionable outcomes - and thereby make Tyrion look morally grey by extension - all he can do is wheedle as Dany's side and do nothing of any worth. And because the consequences of his actions might make him look bad in hindsight, everything questionable he's done in past seasons becomes irrelevant or whitewashed: killing Tywin and weakening House Lannister? No problem, Cersei somehow steps into his shoes, wipes out enemy after enemy and rules unopposed except for Dany and co. Allowing himself to be married to a child whilst wallowing in his own self-pity and never once trying some kind of cunning alternative? Oh, the show says it was okay *because Sansa's jailer was nice to her* . Arming the Hill Tribes so they can wage a guerrilla war against the people of the Vale? Forgotten about. Casually accepting Bronn's mass-murder of thieves so that they can't exploit the imminent siege? Nevermind that, letting people starve en mass is better than murder! By season eight, all that remains of the once-interesting character is an ineffectual joke, a character with so little impact on the story that he might as well have never been born. The story could have proceeded without him; a few commentators have already argued that even if the idiotic Wight Hunt plan hadn't gone ahead, the Night King would have found a way over the Wall eventually, and some have even suggested that Jon would have come to his senses and assassinated Dany anyway. Tyrion the friendly ghost of an interesting character, wafting through the ruins of a franchise. And so, we're left with a brilliant Peter Dicklage performance that is ultimately wasted on a worthless character. And that's why I have to object to your line of reasoning, sir, because it feels like the passage of retcons is continuing even now that the show is dead. If we go any further, we'll have to claim that Tyrion didn't want all those schemes enacted/Slynt exiled/Pycelle imprisoned/Cersei lied to/Joffrey slapped at all, and it was actually the work of his evil twin, the real Tyrion having spent season 2 crying and polishing his halo.

      Dominic BoundsDominic Bounds16 ngày trước
  • well I'm never watching that Series.

    Shadrac MouldShadrac Mould20 ngày trước
  • At least with the show over, I will never hear the fucking phrase "Omg its just like GoT, all the characters keep dying" when people or outlets on the internet describe or recommend a new show they're watching, as they've done the years prior to 2019. People seemed to miss the point that GoT didn't kill off characters for the fuck of it, they died as a real-world consequence of their actions catching up to them, Ned Stark trying to be honourable in a place like kings landing, Robb stark breaking his oaths to disreputable people or executing ill tempered allies, Sir Barristan fighting against a dozen enemies in close quarters with little room to manoeuvre, hell even john snow dying prior to season 6 due to him pissing off those under his command who already hated his guts. Characters were always in danger, that's why their actions always had to be smart, and every once in a while the show could get away with insane setpieces like hard home with John surviving the impossible since it was the true reveal of the whitewalker threat, the guy literally was killed because he angered those around him, he didn't move them to a new station, he did the ned stark thing of trying to be honourable and it got him killed, he tried to appeal to a bunch banished outlaws, soldiers, and thieves instead of being firm.

    NuclearpoweredturtleNuclearpoweredturtle20 ngày trước
  • 1:06 ooo, isn't The Mask (1994) a great illustration of how "power reveals" in pop media? // 6:51 There is a (sadly deleted) scene where Sansa and Tyrion save Missandei, Gilli and her baby from some wights, but why not use it in the finale?!... It seemed pretty important, even in such a nonsencical narrative. 🥴🥴

    Miss Poste *argw27Miss Poste *argw2720 ngày trước
  • Warner Bros. and HBO gave Snyder a chance to redeem Justice League, they should honestly do the same with Game of Thrones just re-release the 8th season as an HBO Max exclusive and have Martin write it (or at the very least keep those two "writers" responsible away from it this time) I mean the terrible movie Cat's actually got a patch to improve the graphics we're in the age where all media is reactive like a video game, this is a possibility no matter how slim...

    xxxCrackerJack501xxxxxxCrackerJack501xxx21 ngày trước
  • Hmm. I agree with basically everything in the video except for the "First they came..." part. I'm not saying Daenerys' turn was well handled, no, it was total crap, but Tyrion's phrase was actually going pretty well as far as logical progressions go, but what it was missing was that the one person deciding who were evil men was HER, so what could happen if one day she chose an ENTIRE group (or city in this case) as evil, wrongly. This would've done nicely (of course, paired with some better foreshadowing from Dani like in the books).

    Carlos Esteban Rivera TriunfoCarlos Esteban Rivera Triunfo21 ngày trước
    • You have a different take and we probably agree on much. But one of the points I make on Niemoller's First They came is they each group the Nazi's oppress was basically a group of innocent people who didn't harm others but were allowed to be victim of the Nazi's by others simply because they were different. This is very distinct from the people Tyrion referred to who often actually were evil men. And it wasn't just Daenerys that decided which men were evil, we did as well and often for good reason. We got to see as she did how brutal slave masters were and how thousands of deaths were involved in each army of UnSullied they sold already. And slavery is illegal in Westeros, so Daenerys isn't just using modern viewers eye's to judge others but a level of social norms and standards that other people are often expected to follow in the place that is arguably her homeland. Now I've come across someone else who felt Daenerys could be made to be a villain in GoT because of how rigid she is and because she doesn't realize the suffering she was involved in bringing others like Mirri. But that doesn't go to purposefully killing people she knows are innocents and haven't harmed her. I can give you a link to the other person's video but she described GoT (likely through season 8) as "deeply cynical" and asks if season 8 is truly the ending Daenerys deserved after trying to help so many other people (something that is a frequent trait of hers). The person asking that question isn't making an argument nice people should live in as harsh a situation as GoT but that to because a villain before dying is undeserved for someone that tries to help others as much as Daenerys does.

      pplr1pplr121 ngày trước
  • I love all A Song of Ice and Fire books, so watching this a year later opens old wounds, how did they fuck this up so badly!!!!!!???? They were good adapters not writers once they ran out of source material the show blew up.

    Ashley FerrisAshley Ferris21 ngày trước
  • 23:18 made me lol pretty hard

    it's meewit's meew21 ngày trước
  • I actually was ok with Sansa wanting to separate the North from the 7 kingdoms. In fact back in season 2 or 3 when Robb Starks only demands were to have his sisters back, and then have the north break off into its own kingdom, was extremely fair as well as wise. It made sense for the north to want to be an independent territory that wasn't going to participate in the souths cut throat, petty BS any more. Other than that single point, I think you were spot on with everything and your video was very entertaining to watch as usual.

    Jeremy BullockJeremy Bullock21 ngày trước
    • Trouble is, the show then demonstrated that the Northmen were no better than the South: petty, cowardly, self-righteous and dishonourable. Frankly, without their contempt for the south to keep them focussed on a mutual enemy, they'd likely annihilate each other in the space of a generation - or less.

      Dominic BoundsDominic Bounds21 ngày trước
    • I'm not automatically against independence but I'm not for it either. The question should be asked why and if it is justified. The North felt independent to some extent already but what sparked the earlier war was Ned getting killed for being too honest. Under the Lannisters independence is justified, but not Daenerys. Daenerys, unlike the Lannisters, dealt with Jon in an honest manner and honored commitments she made to him. Thus the justification is no longer threre. I do think we probably agree on much otherwise and I think I've seen your name before.

      pplr1pplr121 ngày trước
  • Watching Arya cut Littlefinger's throat was the best moment of Season 7. I wanted to see him die. Not in a "this guy is evil, and retributive justice is in order" way. More of a "I'm sick of watching this guy give Sansa creepy sidelong looks, I want him the fuck off my screen" way.

    KaliBhaktaKaliBhakta22 ngày trước
    • I get that, but it's was terrible narratively

      Wisdom Manari'Wisdom Manari'15 ngày trước
  • lol @ HBO's plans for spin-off shows

    Sergio VarelaSergio Varela22 ngày trước
  • You just have to think back to when Sansa smirked after Ramsay was eaten by his dogs, there was something so chilling about that!

    Oh dearOh dear22 ngày trước
  • what angers me the most about jaime’s ending on a personal level is how you see this dude struggling with and because of a toxic and abusive relationship for the longest time, then he finally gets to get away from it, heal and live a little but NOO he goes back to his abuser and they die in each other’s arms, so cute like, what kind of message does that serve??

    sly marssly mars22 ngày trước
    • @sly mars oh yeah I agree with you. the idea and potential was there but like everything else in season 8, the portrayal and the writing made it feel unearned and rushed.

      Vee BVee B10 ngày trước
    • @Vee B i completely agree, but if that was the case then they would’ve needed to criticise it a bit. here it’s portrayed as beautiful and romantic, not ‘wrong’ like it would’ve been if they wanted to make a point about succumbing to an abusive relationship like you said

      sly marssly mars10 ngày trước
    • it could have been an interesting portrayal of someone who succumbs to an addictive and toxic relationship but the execution was all wrong. he didn’t necessarily have to be a redemption story.

      Vee BVee B11 ngày trước
  • To Abigail (I believe): You should read the books.

    Adam JakubowskiAdam Jakubowski22 ngày trước
  • we'll have to wait for the books to get the real ending and satisfaction.

    VerbVerb22 ngày trước
  • Didn't watch this when you made it, but you hit the nail on the head better than the vast majority of folks back then.

    Monkey TImeMonkey TIme23 ngày trước
  • wasnt Lindsey the pilot of the Ever Given?

    AlecatnightAlecatnight23 ngày trước
  • 2:06 5:08 6:04 6:19 6:42 7:55 8:39 9:15 11:03 11:15 46:19 46:32 46:59 49:01 49:21 50:14 53:04 56:46 58:43 59:44 1:03:33 1:03:56 1:04:06 1:04:11 33:15 35:26 35:59 36:27 37:04 37:28 37:48 38:23

    big cloverbig clover23 ngày trước
  • 37:30 that line kinda accepted it, but didnt really understood how it worked. rewatching this, u said that jaime didnt really need redemption was wrong. cause what u said was that he was defending his family, and dont care bout the people, and he has to expand from that to learn to like other people. so him king slaying was doing a good thing, but for the wrong reason. he protected his family that ended up protecting people. he is proud of his skill, status, money, only liked his own, didnt care for other people, literally as he chose his sister over other women. he has some good qualities but they are only limited to his family. so he really is hateful. the path of losing his hand, being let go by pre lady stone heart to seek her children, and the breienne being as good or better at him at fighting, are all the ways he was supposed to learn that other people have value and to learn to like them. he was the snobby aristocrat, and his arc was to expand.

    Ashmeed MohammedAshmeed Mohammed23 ngày trước
  • Nice Robe

    Patrick J MimsPatrick J Mims23 ngày trước
  • What is really amazing about Martin is that when you're reading the books there are moments when you finish a chapter and you think... yeaaahh she is gonna go crazy (Daenerys) and you can't (or at least i can't) really pin point a líne or a paragraph that makes you think it but as whole between Dany's actions, thoughts and reactions to what is happening, the comparisons, the past, just all of it, there's that tension, the doubt, the posibility of it, you can imagine it happening (and for me i read the books with no outside influence, no memes, no show, no theories on the internet) and then she is good and you put it to the side and keep going but there is still that idea. And yet on the show it's unbelievable!!! It doesn't work! Especially not in how it plays out, even if you don't want to look at the why. For me it would have been more believable if Dany's madness plays out against the nobles NOT the comun folk, because her worst actions have always been against those in power, the slavers, the Masters even when those masters were innocent (mareen plot with the crucified master that was actually against slavery and protested against it), i can imagine Dany taking the whole break the wheel thing to the extreme and like it has been established with the mad king, Rickard and Brandon or Joffrey and Ned when you do that you get WAR! but to do that they would have had to rethink the choice of letting Cersei blow up the tyrells and the center of the faith with no consequences, honestly by that point if you don't want her to be Queen just let her die an heroic dead a la Rhaenys Targaryen falling off the sky with her dragon in the middle of battle

    Katherine MontoyaKatherine Montoya24 ngày trước
  • What really ticks me off about the whole ‘maybe the best ruler is the one who doesn’t want to rule’ thing is that the first king of the show was Robert. He hated ruling and he got the crown into incredible debt

    Aug 101Aug 10124 ngày trước
  • I actually discovered you just now because of the twitter shitstorm. I don't think you did anything wrong and your videos are great. Hope to keep seeing more from you even if you need to have a pint and let this whole thing blow over.

    ColdBoiColdBoi24 ngày trước
  • The worst thing is - it would be a far better ending and far better story if Cersei had become the tyrant. So, the other protagonist would have a real dilemma. Daenerys move to burn the city would still be awful (and so would be her speech) but it would make sense.

    Ada PieńkowskaAda Pieńkowska24 ngày trước
  • This is whole show was agitprop for enlightened centrism? Fuck me. To answer the question left at the end of the episode: I don't know. I'm watching this video now, a bit over 18 months after its release, because I've started watching ASoIaF lore videos again and actually being able to enjoy them. I began reading this series in the early 00's and was excited out of my mind when HBO, the best premier television producer there is, announced this series, and I was pretty elated with it early on, but true to what you say yourself, the ending of this has retroactively ruined the earlier seasons and, if I'm being totally honest, it killed my enjoyment of the book series and the wider universe as well. There was a point in my life where I think I knew more about the history of Planetos than I did of Americas, but I've not reread anything from the series since the finale, and rarely even had the desire to discuss the final season once it was done. I was just defeated. Watching lore videos today has me thinking about revisiting the series, but watching this video really reminded me how bad the final season was, a fact that I think was beginning to collect a bit of memory fog. I guess we'll see how strong that urge gets.

    Your Name HereYour Name Here26 ngày trước
  • I just wanted to say, Game of Thrones aside, I'm so glad I found this video because I never would've known about The Power Broker and Robert Moses' influence on New York without the little introductory quote at the start.

    ScarceCastle2ScarceCastle226 ngày trước
  • Yes Hbomberguy

    Aidan AbregovAidan Abregov26 ngày trước
  • If you wanna see a "Daenerys" type of character done well, watch Attack on Titan

    Art Of StorytellingArt Of Storytelling26 ngày trước
  • I have no problem watching GOT again, despite the ending. I’ve watched every season of AHS multiple times. I’m pretty much invincible to bad endings/writing at this point

    Matt SimmonsMatt Simmons27 ngày trước
    • ​@Dominic Bounds yeah i guess I feel like AHS has always had problems with character and neatly wrapping up the plot threads, even though later seasons are generally worse overall, maybe? Totally agree about Apocalypse. I remain an AHS fan though and enjoy rewatches ,as I do with GOT, even though I can see there is some pretty unforgivable writing

      Matt SimmonsMatt Simmons26 ngày trước
    • Do you feel that there's a downgrade in quality as far as the seasons of AHS go, or has it remained consistent throughout? I mean, the show's had a problem with actually making a legitimate horror story ever since Asylum ended, and they just can't make up their minds on who the real threat of the stories are supposed to be... but to me, it didn't get *bad* until after Hotel wrapped up. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like they've been running out of ideas ever since then. In Apocalypse, they barely bothered with the story of the actual apocalypse before bringing in every single crossover from under the sun to cut down on the drama. I mean, we get a few episodes with story of how the world ends and what happens afterwards, and then we're flung into prequel town; the tension is killed immediately because we already know how this part of the story's going to end. ...as opposed to Game of Thrones, in which we don't know how the story's going to end but don't care, largely because the likeable cast members have either been killed off or replaced by chortling psychopaths with a penchant for treating everyone around them like shit in lieu of actual character development :)

      Dominic BoundsDominic Bounds27 ngày trước
    • I realise that my comment was, ironically, badly written, but in my defence, it’s 3am

      Matt SimmonsMatt Simmons27 ngày trước
  • I'm extremely late to the party and I'm sure someone has brought this up already, but I'm beginning to notice a pattern in the way morally questionable actions (read: killing) is handled in GoT. As you mentioned in the video, Tyrion murders multiple people via magic fire, Jon Snow kills those who stabbed him and Ned beheads a scared teenager. The fact that most of these killings are in the books also doesn't matter because one of them is not and perfectly fits the trend. What I'm talking about is, when it is male character killing people in a morally grey area, it's usually because they have justifiable reasons, that is: Ned - honor/law Jon Snow - justice Tyrion - strategy On the other hand, D&D make it appear that the only reason why Daenerys, a woman with enormous power in her hands, commits semi-genocide via dragon fire, is because she can't handle her emotions and must be put down like Old Yeller. It's frankly tiring.

    Riccardo PasinRiccardo Pasin27 ngày trước
  • You are absolutely right about everything... And if I may add = Jon would have been king anyway, since he would have married Daenarys, the queen... soooo...

    JRPG QueenJRPG Queen27 ngày trước
  • Dammit I was drinking water on the super htler part and almost spill everything lol

    leocsleocs27 ngày trước
  • Evil Daenerys in 8×06 making her speech infront of her army about world invasion gave me nazi hitler vibes.

    Maria DelaCruzMaria DelaCruz28 ngày trước
    • @Maria DelaCruz Yes. Did you understand my earlier comment or should I try to explain it differently-not trying to pick on you just not sure if you got what I meant.

      pplr1pplr123 ngày trước
    • Cos ive seen footages of hitler speeching infront of his army they look exactly like daenerys speech at 8x06.

      Maria DelaCruzMaria DelaCruz28 ngày trước
    • Don't you mean "Super Hitler?" "The Hitler that fliieeesss!!"

      jbvader721jbvader72128 ngày trước
    • That was the point. D and D decided to pretend someone who freed slaves plus risked herself and her goals to help others was suddenly a nazi. Season 8 was laden with character assassination against Dany and that was part of it.

      pplr1pplr128 ngày trước
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